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Why Men and Menopause Don't Mix - Newsweek

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When we were writing The Menopause Book a few years ago, we were often amused by how people reacted to our topic. To women of a certain age, we were rock stars. They had so many questions about the changes in their bodies and were grateful for answers based on science rather than quackery. Men were not so enthralled. In fact, we used to joke that simply uttering "menopause" was the fastest way to get rid of a boring guy at a cocktail party.

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anonymous-1077600

While I see a lot of articles on the reaction of men to females that are menstruating, I don't remember any studies on reactions of men to women in menopause. What is their reaction to the change of the hormone level in women during this time period? What are the reaction of women to men that have hypogonadism? Is there any subliminal reaction that we are not aware of?

    Reply#1 - Wed Jul 7, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
    Dowser

    I think men have a midlife crisis-- or a time when they suddenly realize that they are becoming older, or on the second half of life, but, as this article states, I don't think they have menopause. If men are jealous of menopause, all I can say is that they are so used to running things and having all the attention directed toward them, for some women to get some recognized attention makes them feel left out. And, frankly, if they want my hot flashes, they can have them. With my blessings.

    :-)

    Note: I mean no disrespect to men. But, sheesh!

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    Reply#2 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
    One Miscreant

    None taken.

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    #2.1 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 2:09 AM EDT
    anonymous-1077600

    Dowser, are you sure you would want to give them your hot flashes, then you would have to nurse them! :)>

    I wonder if anyone ever gets "cold flashes"? Do you think that at some time women also have the same realization about where they are in their life and what they have accomplished versus what they actually wanted to accomplish? I think every person goes through this. I have a female neighbor that is going through this but because of her role in taking care of her family she won't tell them about this. I have a lot of respect for her because of the burden she has in taking care of a sick husband and how well she handles this. She also has one of the best relationships I have seen with her son!

    As for no disrespect, you have never shown any, you are always so well spoken! :)

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    #2.2 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
    Dowser

    are you sure you would want to give them your hot flashes

    You make a really good point there! I hope your neighbor can feel better-- she has accomplished a LOT. And, thanks for your kindness! :-)

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    #2.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
    anonymous-1077600

    I am looking forward to more of your stories. I need to get back to your site and see what you have written.

      #2.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
      Dowser

      Thank you! That is so sweet! :-)

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      #2.5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:24 PM EDT
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      One Miscreant

      Getting older does suck, for the most part. At least, after fifty. This comes from someone with health issues, though.

      But, just shoot me, please. That Linda Blair head spinning thing has me very confused. One minute I'm fine, the next I'm in the dog house and I don't even have a dog.

      Wasn't there an old trick? Where when the man came home, he threw his hat in first. If it came back out, he didn't go in...

      *looks around to see if any women noticed him*

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      Reply#3 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 2:09 AM EDT
      anonymous-1077600

      Wow miscreant, sorry to hear about your health issues.

      You know dogs can be good to own, they can be trained for so many things, maybe a new take on the hat thing, is if the dog brings it to you don't go in, but if he eats it, then he's happy and not in the dog house himself, until of course he eats your hat! :) BTW loved you old trick info!!

      Some woman is probably noticing you, but it is probably not who you want too! This always seems to happen!

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      Reply#4 - Thu Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
      US Citizen-658112

      I now think there is a "mid life reckoning" in both genders.

      For males, there may be a reduction in hormone levels - testosterone being a well known one - which causes a change in life outlook, and may cause apprehension if "things are not working like they used to. There are both pluses and minuses to this kind of thing...but I will not digress here...

      For females, it goes beyond the hot flashes and sputtering-to-a-stop menstruation. Females struggle with an "identity reevaluation" as they fight to "compete" with younger females who are in the prime reproduction age...even though they may not be or want to reproduce themselves. I will sum this up as an "Am I still attractive?" worry, "Does he still want/love me?" worry, etc. The relatively rapidly shifting hormones...and the emotional roller coaster the Ladies can end up on for this and other reasons...are all the more reason to be supportive of the Ladies as best you can be. Love conquers peri-menopause or menopause too......

      I will leave you with a personal quote from me: "Females leak for the first half of thier lives....and males leak for the last half of thiers....". Yes, about the time the menstrual flow stops, the prostatic/bladder leakage usually starts for men. Tampons and pads get traded for pee-stained shorts (going from whitey tighties to colored choices...) etc. So, as life goes on, it all evens out.

      "....in sickness and in health..." pretty much covers these issues I think......

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      Reply#5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:34 AM EDT
      anonymous-1077600

      US citizen I had never head that about females leaking for the first part of their life and men for the second, that was real insightful. But I do wonder about the people that are asexual and if the females in this group would still go through an identity crisis?

        Reply#6 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
        US Citizen-658112

        I would suspect that people reaching a certain point in their life maturation cycle all will reach a "self introspection" phase.

        How this introspection phase may manifest itself will of course depend on culture, personal upbringing, self-expectations, and gender, etc. It may also not necessarily be a negative thing. If one climbs halfway up a very tall mountain, it is a respectable feat, even if the last half remains to be climbed......

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        #6.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
        anonymous-1077600

        Wow that is beautiful philosophy about climbing a tall mountain, I think we all would continue to struggle to get up that mountain even if we have to crawl to get to the top. Probably taking many rest stops if it is needed!

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        #6.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
        US Citizen-658112

        Thank you for your kinds words anon.... I hope the best for you and this article.....

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        #6.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:32 PM EDT
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        Truth be told-1349420

        Oops! sorry guy, I'm in the wrong conference room.
        I can see men are under fire in here. I'm outa here. Have fun, girls!
        While you're here , did you remember to put your Men-on Pause? Peace.

        .

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        Reply#7 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
        anonymous-1077600

        Truth to be told we are also discussing about men and their changes too! So as long as you have something insightful about this particular subject and your take on men's changes in the older age then it would be nice of you to stop by and make a relevant comment or tool. Do you know of any articles that you have read that would add to the thought of men going through changes when they get older? Hormones, body hair, a feeling of not accomplishing some of the things that you wanted to do by a certain age and what that realization did to you! Maybe even a suggestion on how to look at it, or advise that you received from the mentors in you life!

          #7.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:01 PM EDT
          Truth be told-1349420

          Thanks for the invitation. First I would like to mention that men too go through menopause, but in a very different way and meaning that women do. Menopause is the stage when a women, usually in their late forty's, would stop menstruating and may no longer get pregnant naturally. They say that menopause women may become very sexually excited;I wouldn't know. Menopause in men occur in their mind and many want to fight it away. It comes with a loss of self-confidence and moral strength, they may become worried, depressed, isolated, soft, oppressed with guilty feelings, change of personalities and concepts about things and trying to hang on who and what they used to be. They become sensitive, miserable, feel owned attention, insecured, and you may even say paranoid. That's a very pitiful stage of their lives. Once they would survive that stage, they understand they have to accept themselves as they have become and continue to be a man in a different perspective and conception. Be old and wise. Everything that rose must fall some time.

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          #7.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:13 PM EDT
          Dowser

          Thank you, Truth, for your insight. Women go through a mental thing, too. Somehow the end of the childbearing years brings about a deep sadness in some, and many of us assess our lives, what we've done with ourselves, where we have gone versus where we wanted to be.

          I think it is a hard time for all of us. But I would be very willing to share my hot flashes with you this winter. You can have all of them, if you want. Sometimes, I want to go outside and roll around in the snow, but I know I would sizzle. :-)

          I am not a very wise person, but I do know this: Gravity wins in the end.

          ((((((((((((((((Truth)))))))))))))))) take care of yourself out there, amongst them...

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          #7.3 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:03 AM EDT
          Truth be told-1349420

          Well Dowser, I'm a bit surprised to hear that some women would actually feel sad, comes menopause. I always thought it was a call for celebration for crossing the Red Sea safely. I know if I were a woman I would be so happy, taking into consideration the burden of carrying babies and the excruciating pain of giving birth; the annoying belly cramps and pain each menstruation; the mood-swings, the embarrasing situation of accidentally having a big red spot at the back of my skirt due to early arrival; the frequent trips to the Lady's on certain day; all the period-related and birth control- realted expenses I would now be saving; the shame of accidental and unwanted pregnancies plus the hard decision to choose between abortion or giving birth especially if the finance is on life-support; etc, etc, etc... Comes menopause, all these troubles and worries are gone, I repeat, gone forever; Free at last! Why in God's name should I be sad, Dowser, why?
          I understand that it is one the irreversible fact that may make a woman feel scared when she has to agree to being old; But past that stage, they act stronger, wiser, and more mature than men that still chase after much younger partners and make fools out of themselves. I praise you, women!

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          #7.4 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
          anonymous-1077600

          Truth be told what a great comment, thank you so much for stopping and giving this type of perspective. I agree with Dowser about women going through some of this too, because I have a female neighbor that is. Sounds like you made it through to the "old & wise" stage!

          I love dowser's comment---"gravity wins in the "end"!", I think that comment applies to all of us!

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          #7.5 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
          Truth be told-1349420

          Thanks, Anonymous, But please be aware that I am yet, but not too far to cross that frontier, for I am 35 going 36. But it is a wise thing to know your destination before you get there, so that you are ready to face whatever friendly and /or hostile atmosphere there is to cope with. Agree?

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          #7.6 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:03 PM EDT
          Dowser

          Thanks so much, both of you!

          Truth, I was so very lucky to have had one child, I count my blessings! But, I had never meant to only have one. I wanted several-- and there is something so terrifically special about holding your baby... I was sad to know that the only experience I'll ever have of holding a baby in the family will be a grandchild, should I be so fortunate. :-)

          For women, menopause is pretty physically demanding, or it can be. But there is also that mental aspect, too... As Betty Davis said, "Getting old ain't for sissies!" Boy, was she right!

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          #7.7 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT
          Truth be told-1349420

          Take it as it comes my dear, God has a reason for everything He gives and doesn't give. I'd like you to check out my latest article on women which I have already posted. Thanks and Peace.

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          #7.8 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT
          Dowser

          ((((((((((((Truth))))))))))))))

          Take care, dear friend!

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          #7.9 - Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
          anonymous-1077600

          Truth be told, you fooled me but I love what you said and enjoyed your perspective! The more people you hear from gives one an idea of what is to come or has come. Dowser I am glad you have your son, I really loved your photos of Disney World. I hope you get many,many grand babies!

          ((((Truth)))) and ((((Dowser))))

            #7.10 - Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:52 PM EDT
            Dowser

            Thanks so much, dear anonymous! It was a lovely time! :-)

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            #7.11 - Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:32 PM EDT
            Truth be told-1349420

            Truth be told, you fooled me ...

            Oh, I'm sorry, dear, I didn't mean to. Please forgive me. How can I make it up to you?

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            #7.12 - Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:14 PM EDT
            anonymous-1077600

            Don't worry about it, that means that you sounded like someone who had experienced it. I enjoyed your comments!! Anytime someone makes you think it is good!

              #7.13 - Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT
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